This blog is designed for students in Ms. Kimpson's English IV class. Students will be able to express their thoughts and comment on the thoughts of others. Please remember to respect the opinions of others. No profanity is allowed!!
Friday, October 9, 2009
"Ars Poetica"
Respond to the following questions:
How can a poem be "wordless?" How can it be "motionless in time?"
A wordless Poem? Well Poetry is defined as "the art of rhythmical composition, written or spoken, for exciting pleasure by beautiful, imaginative, or elevated thoughts." So if it is wordless then the poem should invoke a feeling or a state of mind, were the focus should not be on the words but on what it makes you "feel". Therefore, creating "pleasure by beautiful, imaginative, or elevated thoughts". Ok, so let’s think "outside the box". If you ever encountered or heard of "love at first sight" which is considered a common motif in literature, you can see the sudden and immediate beguiling of feeling, were it occurs "motionless"; through your time and "wordless" through your mind. Making you feel that the “poem should not mean. But be"
Thinking about it now, the phrase "a poem should be wordless" may mean that feelings should be synonymous with poems. Another definition and example of poetry is as follows "poetic spirit or feeling: The pianist played the prelude with poetry." Therefore, a spirit and feeling should be associated with poetry. As for motionless in time, my opinion has not changed since first reading the poem. I still believe that that means that it should always be relevant and speak to you no matter time period it was written in.
Well literally we know that a poem can never be wordless, because without words then there would be no poem at all. Figuratively I believe the author meant that the poem should stretch beyond words and evoke a series of feelings, which is similar to what Elizabeth said. While reading a poem, a person should never be concentrated or fixed upon words, but rather they should be lost in the sea of deep emotion that the author is trying to convey. The authors attitude and sensitivity toward the poem should become the readers attitude and sensitivity. To answer the second question, a poem should never be considered 'outdated' or archaic. If it is considered the truth now, then a hundred years from now it should still be considered truth. The overall meaning should easily speak to anybody from any time period. -Jocoby Junious
The art of rhythmical composition, written or spoken, by imaginative or elevated thoughts is the definition of a poem. Of course, there is no possible way a poem can be wordless but the author meant poems should give the reader a vivid picture, meaning and a message out of it. And the picture, meaning and message should never change, in which it should get through to anybody no matter what era such as the play everybody understands throughout time, Romeo and Juliet. Without these important factors its not a poem, just words forgotten.
Poetry should be capable of evoking a feeling within a person without the necessity of another individual stating what the poetry is attempting to express. Wordless is indescribable, so poetry should be indescribable. Wilmer mentioned "love at first sight" for the second response, and it made the word LOVE jump out at me. Many people state that love is indescribable, that it is impossible to describe it. Then, they proceed to state that it is "wonderful, unbelievable, enlightening, beautiful," and so forth. Suddenly, they add that they are left "speechless" (or wordless) when they think about it. They have a specific feeling towards it within their core--it, ofcourse, meaning love or a poem or any incident--that only they can recognize and understand, a feeling that they believe is "wordless" when it is not. There are too many words that can be used to describe, so we take the shortcut, and say it is wordless. Going along with Elizabeth's response to the second question, a different era should not cause the poetry's symbolism or theme to change. The poem should remain constant, remain the same throughout time.
I am not sure if I used the -- correctly or whether I was suppose to use commas. I tried!
A poem, which is defined as lofty thought or impassioned feeling, should not be characterized or measured by its wording, but by the underlying message, emotion, and image that the content portrays. As Jocoby mentioned, a poem can not literally be "wordless". I believe that the phrase "a wordless poem" simply means that while reading a poem, one must dissect each individual word and transpose it into something that can be felt or seen in order to convey the author's attitude. After reading a poem, one should feel as though there are'nt any particular words that have the capacity to depict its true meaning. As for the second question, I am in agreeance with Elizabeth's, Cynthia's, and Jocoby's theory that the phrase "motionless in time" when referring to a poem or any piece of literature, means that its context should reamin applicable forever, despite of the incessant change in time, people, and morals.
There is no way that a poem could actually be wordless, but when the author mentions that a poem can be wordless i agree with almost everyone. A poem evokes the emotions within a person and not every emotion is the same from each individual. The poem should be able to connect with your personal emotion instead of what a person states the poem is about, as cynthia says. Going along with what Marlissa, Cynthia and Elizabeth said, "motionless in time" refers to the fact that the meaning shall stay the same forever and remain constant throughout time.
To me a wordless poem is the author’s ability to communicate to the reader on a personal in depth level. The meaning of the poem does not need to be revealed or explained but rather expressed in an undertone manner. In the poem Ars Poetica the author states that “A poem should not mean but be". This makes me believe that there should be an understanding of the poem right off the back without further research or analysis. Perhaps one should not be able to form words from reading it but get a sound understanding of it for themselves. A poem that is motionless in time is a piece of work thats meanings and values remain the same no matter what time period it is. The themes are universal and it can be applied to anyones life in any era.
I believe a poem has many different interpretations. It can be "motionless in time" because most of the interpretations will of course be the same throughout the years, but I also believe it cannot be "motionless in time" because there will always be a new way of interpreting a poem.
When a person reads a poem, the author does not want the reader to see just words out of the poem, he/she wants the reader to understand, to discover a deeper meaning in the words the author uses as tools to trigger a probably resting imagination deep within us. I believe Ars Poetica depicts that goal that authors want from readers. They want us to see how a poem is just not words put together, it is a piece of work with many hidden messages.
I believe a poem can be motionless, agreeing with Joycelyn and I love the way my classmates had thier interpretatin of a wordless peom. I honestly believe that a peom can be wordless and timeless by the meaning and definition behind the peom, the effect it has on a person or a situation. Many different poems effect people all over in different types of ways and whatever the outcome is determines the effect of it being motionless and wordless.
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ReplyDeleteA wordless Poem? Well Poetry is defined as "the art of rhythmical composition, written or spoken, for exciting pleasure by beautiful, imaginative, or elevated thoughts." So if it is wordless then the poem should invoke a feeling or a state of mind, were the focus should not be on the words but on what it makes you "feel". Therefore, creating "pleasure by beautiful, imaginative, or elevated thoughts". Ok, so let’s think "outside the box". If you ever encountered or heard of "love at first sight" which is considered a common motif in literature, you can see the sudden and immediate beguiling of feeling, were it occurs "motionless"; through your time and "wordless" through your mind. Making you feel that the “poem should not mean. But be"
ReplyDeleteThinking about it now, the phrase "a poem should be wordless" may mean that feelings should be synonymous with poems. Another definition and example of poetry is as follows "poetic spirit or feeling: The pianist played the prelude with poetry." Therefore, a spirit and feeling should be associated with poetry. As for motionless in time, my opinion has not changed since first reading the poem. I still believe that that means that it should always be relevant and speak to you no matter time period it was written in.
ReplyDeleteWell literally we know that a poem can never be wordless, because without words then there would be no poem at all. Figuratively I believe the author meant that the poem should stretch beyond words and evoke a series of feelings, which is similar to what Elizabeth said. While reading a poem, a person should never be concentrated or fixed upon words, but rather they should be lost in the sea of deep emotion that the author is trying to convey. The authors attitude and sensitivity toward the poem should become the readers attitude and sensitivity.
ReplyDeleteTo answer the second question, a poem should never be considered 'outdated' or archaic. If it is considered the truth now, then a hundred years from now it should still be considered truth. The overall meaning should easily speak to anybody from any time period.
-Jocoby Junious
The art of rhythmical composition, written or spoken, by imaginative or elevated thoughts is the definition of a poem. Of course, there is no possible way a poem can be wordless but the author meant poems should give the reader a vivid picture, meaning and a message out of it. And the picture, meaning and message should never change, in which it should get through to anybody no matter what era such as the play everybody understands throughout time, Romeo and Juliet. Without these important factors its not a poem, just words forgotten.
ReplyDeletePoetry should be capable of evoking a feeling within a person without the necessity of another individual stating what the poetry is attempting to express. Wordless is indescribable, so poetry should be indescribable. Wilmer mentioned "love at first sight" for the second response, and it made the word LOVE jump out at me. Many people state that love is indescribable, that it is impossible to describe it. Then, they proceed to state that it is "wonderful, unbelievable, enlightening, beautiful," and so forth. Suddenly, they add that they are left "speechless" (or wordless) when they think about it. They have a specific feeling towards it within their core--it, ofcourse, meaning love or a poem or any incident--that only they can recognize and understand, a feeling that they believe is "wordless" when it is not. There are too many words that can be used to describe, so we take the shortcut, and say it is wordless. Going along with Elizabeth's response to the second question, a different era should not cause the poetry's symbolism or theme to change. The poem should remain constant, remain the same throughout time.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure if I used the -- correctly or whether I was suppose to use commas. I tried!
A poem, which is defined as lofty thought or impassioned feeling, should not be characterized or measured by its wording, but by the underlying message, emotion, and image that the content portrays. As Jocoby mentioned, a poem can not literally be "wordless". I believe that the phrase "a wordless poem" simply means that while reading a poem, one must dissect each individual word and transpose it into something that can be felt or seen in order to convey the author's attitude. After reading a poem, one should feel as though there are'nt any particular words that have the capacity to depict its true meaning. As for the second question, I am in agreeance with Elizabeth's, Cynthia's, and Jocoby's theory that the phrase "motionless in time" when referring to a poem or any piece of literature, means that its context should reamin applicable forever, despite of the incessant change in time, people, and morals.
ReplyDeleteThere is no way that a poem could actually be wordless, but when the author mentions that a poem can be wordless i agree with almost everyone. A poem evokes the emotions within a person and not every emotion is the same from each individual. The poem should be able to connect with your personal emotion instead of what a person states the poem is about, as cynthia says. Going along with what Marlissa, Cynthia and Elizabeth said, "motionless in time" refers to the fact that the meaning shall stay the same forever and remain constant throughout time.
ReplyDeleteTo me a wordless poem is the author’s ability to communicate to the reader on a personal in depth level. The meaning of the poem does not need to be revealed or explained but rather expressed in an undertone manner. In the poem Ars Poetica the author states that “A poem should not mean but be". This makes me believe that there should be an understanding of the poem right off the back without further research or analysis. Perhaps one should not be able to form words from reading it but get a sound understanding of it for themselves. A poem that is motionless in time is a piece of work thats meanings and values remain the same no matter what time period it is. The themes are universal and it can be applied to anyones life in any era.
ReplyDeleteI believe a poem has many different interpretations. It can be "motionless in time" because most of the interpretations will of course be the same throughout the years, but I also believe it cannot be "motionless in time" because there will always be a new way of interpreting a poem.
ReplyDeleteWhen a person reads a poem, the author does not want the reader to see just words out of the poem, he/she wants the reader to understand, to discover a deeper meaning in the words the author uses as tools to trigger a probably resting imagination deep within us. I believe Ars Poetica depicts that goal that authors want from readers. They want us to see how a poem is just not words put together, it is a piece of work with many hidden messages.
I believe a poem can be motionless, agreeing with Joycelyn and I love the way my classmates had thier interpretatin of a wordless peom. I honestly believe that a peom can be wordless and timeless by the meaning and definition behind the peom, the effect it has on a person or a situation. Many different poems effect people all over in different types of ways and whatever the outcome is determines the effect of it being motionless and wordless.
ReplyDelete